Are You “Afraid” of Hyperpreterists?
Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, cults/cultic, humour, hyperpreterism, terminology) by Roderick_E on 16-11-2008
Tagged Under : false premises
Here we go again. Hyperpreterism seems to be the master of false premises. Recently on an up & coming hyperpreterist website one of their members posted the question “Why are Christian [discussion boards] Afraid of Preterism?” First off, this question has several false premises built into it. One, the issue ISN’T Preterism — it is HYPERPRETERISM. These hyperpreterists need to start getting their terminology & definitions correct. Even one of their own used to go around claiming that the first step in discussing theology was to first define your terms. Instead, these guys play loose with terms, making it look like their HYPERpreterism is the same as traditional preterism. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, they have been doing this for some time now. Even the Wikipedia on Preterism is a collection of erroneous history & poor definition.
The second erroneous premise of the question is the notion that these Christians are “afraid” of hyperpreterism. Christians that know anything about this blip of a movement, aren’t “afraid” of it anymore than Christians opposing homosexuality are “afraid” (phobic) of that distortion of humanity. It is funny that these hyperpreterists are once again using tactics like those used by liberals & even homosexuals. We aren’t “afraid” of hyperpreterism, we are DISGUSTED by it, just as we are disgusted by homosexuality.
Hyperpreterism is a distoration of Christianity as much as homosexuality is a distoration of human sexuality. Oh sure, both groups speak of “love”, “tolerance”, “acceptance”. Both groups whine about being rejected & persecuted & that they just want “equality” when in fact over & over you will see both of these groups have an agenda to force & supplant. Both groups want to revise what has been the “traditional” with their “new paradigms” — be it homosexuality or hyperpreterism, both are disgusting distortions of the NATURAL & INTENDED. (Romans 1:26-27)
Homosexuals behave the same way as hyperpreterists — both groups complain about being “banned” from participation in “normal” activities, be it marriage, or serving openly in a congregation, or being allowed to influence young hearts & minds. Both groups act like people are “afraid” of them & are just being “hateful bigots”. Rather, we Christians are called to oppose error even if it puts us at odds with “friends” & family.
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. (Mt 10:37)
Since I left hyperpreterism, I have had former friends say some of the most hateful things about me but I will not stop loving them by trying to call them out of this disease. They think that for me to be loving I must gush & mush & pretend that what they are saying is valid. I have to believe that some of them are understanding that I don’t care if they ever even tell me they have escaped hyperpreterism. I’m not looking for a following & is one reason why you won’t see me writing a “systematic” alternative to hyperpreterism — it would immediately be seen as “Roderick’s view”. I don’t want to have a view associated with my name. I just want to be part of Christianity — the same Christianity that has existed since the day Jesus hand-picked His apostles to be the foundation of the Church. I’m not here to make up something new. I’m not here to offer anyone a “paradigm shift”. Am I am DEFINITELY NOT AFRAID OF HYPERPRETERISTS — I pity them, I feel sorry for them, but never afraid — not even when they have threatened to physically harm me & my family.
So, please be in prayer for those ensnared by this cult of the movement, whose leader is not some dynamic individual but is each individual as they privately interpret Scripture & come to conclusions unlike anything that has ever been considered Christianity. And when they complain about not being accepted or claim people are “afraid” of them, think of the homosexual movement that employs the same mindset & tactics.
They have a safe haven at DeMar’s
cesspitforum. Heck we have hyperpreterists at TheologyWeb, but we won’t recognize them as Christians qualified to post in the eschatology forum,but they are free to spew away to their heart’s delight in the unorthodox section. One of three things has happened to nearly every hyperpreterist that posts there:1. They are banned for turning into obsessive stalking creeps
2. They get a butt-whupping and slink away (and it isn’t even by me, I don’t debate on their babble 99% of the time, though I did with one and documented some lies so thoroughly that it was pathetic)
3. They are ignored because people find it too ridiculous to even entertain
And more than 50% of them try various devious tricks to try to insert themselves into the eschatology forum.
Number 1 would preclude Samuel, his pup, the Neb off the top of my head. They have proven to be disturbing monomaniacs. But the guy who called the belief that Jesus is still in the flesh as believing that Jesus is a “meatball with a spook in it” and denies the bodily resurrection of Christ because he rightly knows that is the ONLY consistent hyperpreterism, he’s still around.
What the hyperpreterists are really saying is why don’t forums let them wolf-pack. Well, my little pretties, one reason is because I am friends with a great many forum owners as we try to help each other out, and I have warned them. And I will continue to do so. And you know what? You can thank Don Preston’s obsession back in 1999 or so for the creation of the hyperpreterist-destroying juggernaut that has been me. If he didn’t obessively email me over and over improperly from an ebay auction, I might have moved on to other things.
Good job Don. There are a great many people whom were snatched from the pit through God’s use of my work that are so glad that you just couldn’t help yourself.
Hyperpreterist Sam Frost is still being dishonest with history & with the agenda of hyperpreterism. In responding to this article Frost continues to claim Christians have a “fear” of hyperpreterism. Sam says: “Like I said, I understand their fear. As a theologian, I completely understand why they do what they do.”
Riiiiiiight. First Sam continues to propagate the false premise that Christians are somehow “afraid” of hyperpreterism & then he tells us he is “a theologian”. A theologian of what kind of theology??? Not the historic Christian theology.
Frost then tries to pull the same junk we have seen in the past…trying to paint hyperpreterism as a minor issue.
Frost says, “Preterism is purely eschatological. I can quote a great deal of theologians that acknowledge that no major council has ever pronounced any eschatological doctrine “heresy.”"
Sam, which is it? Either hyperpreterism is a minor thing or it is a complete PARADIGM SHIFT which affects so much that even you are now trying to get on board with the “Revise & Preterize Genesis” group. When will any of your on little followers start to question your constant dishonesty????
Secondly, this constant hyperpreterist appeal that there has never been a council on eschatology is more false premise. Councils were NOT called to impose some new-fangled doctrine upon the Church, but rather councils were primarily called to address some NEW HERESY. The fact that there has never been a council specifically on eschatology speaks in FAVOR of the fact that nothing ever rose to warrant one…until perhaps now with you & your “church of Christ” induced heresy.
Sam goes on to claim that hyperpreterism’s opponents will not engage them in “Scripture” YET 2000 years worth of Christian interpretation speaks against hyperpreterism. If Sam & his band of “restorationists” will not listen to the whole counsel of the Church through out history, we are not arrogant enough to think they will listen to us. Sam & gang suffer from Proverbs 26:12 & THAT is the Scripture he needs to read.
Frost ends his little diatribe by mentioning that ETS accepts him & by that basis hyperpreterism is acceptable within Christianity. He again tries to downplay hyperpreterism as a minor “eschatological difference” & that he worships along side other Christians that accept him. Really? I thought you fancied yourself a “pastor” Sam, trying to fashion your own little congregation of hyperpreterists? What congregation do you attend so that I can see if they really know what you’re all about & yet still accept that you are unlike anything in the history of Christianity.
These guys are sooooo dishonest with history, with Scripture, with their own agendas that anyone taking them seriously will soon be caught up in their web of lies.