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What happens when a person becomes accustomed to a culture of lies, cover up, & good ole boy back patting & then someone who is supposed to be part of the “group” comes & displays some integrity?  This very situation has recently happened on SGP (hyperpreterist website — home to the pseudo-conservative hyperpreterists — I like to call it Super-Great-People, since its leaders/founders think it is the best thing since sliced bread).

From its very beginning SGP has been a place, a culture of deceit, hyprocrisy, & cover up & that’s all before we even get to the doctrine it advocates.  In recent times, SGP’s leaders have been involved in unrepentant actions of referring to another man’s wife as whore.  Sam Frost, SGP de facto leader & protege of Virgil Vaduva has been the biggest culprit in justifying the culture of SGP.

But recently, Dave Green (another long time hyperpreterist who has just recently started to interact with the wider movement in more detail), has joined SGP.  Green has been cited before as a guy who though wrong on his doctrine, has had the integrity to be honest in other areas of his life.

Green had posted a statement on his own website (source) & it was duplicated on SGP by Sam Frost (source) — without a source link back mind you, typical of Frost’s methodology.  But hey, maybe Frost doesn’t think he needs to source link back, now that he thinks he & Green & suddenly “good buddies”.

Anyhow, the summary of the posting is that Green says that if “futurism” is true, then yes hyperpreterism is a damnable heresy.  Of course, Green claims that HISTORIC CHRISTIANITY (what Green is calling “futurism”) is not true.

Green goes on to try to claim that HISTORIC CHRISTIANITY is a “mind-boggling, exegetical jumble to be sure; but it’s not a damnable, mind-boggling, exegetical jumble.” Interesting — so 2000 years of Christianity has been this messed up???  Again, hyperpreterism is built on a huge conspiracy theory…& I think Green is honest enough to admit it…but he’d say, like other hyperpreterists that ‘Sola Scriptura overrides the traditions of men’.  It sounds good, but the problem is, the modern Evangelical & the Hyperpreterist definition of Sola Scriptura is actually SOLO Scriptura which amounts to private interpretation divorced from 2000 years of Holy Spirit guided Christianity. — Again, hyperpreterism is built on a conspiracy theory.

But what I really wanted to address in line with the title of this article is what happens when a guy like Green enters SGP where the SGP leaders aren’t accustomed to their own people showing integrity.

SGP Founder, Jason Bradfield & the real brains behind it — Frost is just a celebrity & Mike B an embarrassment — Bradfield had these comments for Green.

And Dave, what you said about Mathison is exactly what puzzles me about you - it seems as though you are trying to throw a life preserver to the futurists…giving them an excuse to condemn us. Now, i understand that ULTIMATELY you do not agree with the way they handle the text(s); so in that sense you are not excusing them. But it seems as though you’re trying to excuse them a bit by saying, “well, they are at least being consistent within their framework on this verse.” I don’t agree with that at all and don’t understand why you would force that. — Bradfield

See, Bradfield who SAYS he doesn’t read the most active opponent sites against hyperpreterism, is here complaining that Green is giving too much credit to the opponents of hyperpreterism.  I think Bradfield wanted to see Green indulge him in his own lies & self-imposed ignorance.

Green responds to Bradfield…not with the typical SGP cronie response that would have said, “Oh Jason you are right.  I should have never doubted your clarkian logical mind”, instead Green says:

It’s easy for too many [hyper] preterists to demonize and ridicule futurists and call them hate-mongering bigots because they reject us as damnable heretics. Such  [hyper] preterists need more understanding and maturity. Many futurists are simply following the Word of God faithfully as they understand it within their framework. — Green

Uh-oh!

Bradfield cannot let that stand,  he responds:

Again, this is what blows my mind. Basically, what all this boils down to, is that you, as a [hyper] preterist, are wanting to give them more wiggle room to condemn us and in the process attack fellow [hyper] preterists as immature and ignorant who think you’re putting too much into this verse.

lol..i don’t get it at all. I don’t see how this is fruitful at all. — Bradfield

Anyone notice how these guys are sounding more & more like their mentor, Vaduva?  — “waaaah, you’re attacking me!!!”.  I guess it is only “fruitful” when you tow the line Dave.

True to his form, Dave is not intimidated by Bradfield’s passive-aggressive methods.  Green replies with a bit of sarcasm mixed with a rebuke for I would think not only Bradfield but the very culture of SGP:

Yes, exactly Jason. I love being condemned by others. Or, maybe there’s another possiblity. Maybe truth is more important than getting the rhetorical upper hand over my theological enemies. — Green

Wait Dave!!! I thought it was more important to back your “fellow [hyper] preterists” homeboys even if it means covering up for liars.

Green continues:

Yes, you’re right. What possible fruit could there be in promoting understanding, patience and kindness to our (theological) enemies. That’s stupid. Your [Jason] way is much better. — Green

Bradfield hasn’t yet replied but I’m sure he is steaming, after all none of his own “fellow [hyper] preterists” have even come close to rebuking the guy for ANYTHING he has ever done.

Maybe Frost will have a phone conversation with Green & then go back & tell Bradfield he worked it all out & everything is fine now…just how Frost did when Vaduva was doing some of the despicable things he did & instead of calling Vaduva to PUBLIC repentance, a winky-wink phone call from Frost fixed it all up.  So, Jason, don’t be angry with Green.  Green lives in a different world than you & your buddies.  To Green, at least in principle he says “truth is more important than getting the rhetorical upper hand”.  If he continues with this, Green will eventually renounce hyperpreterism as the lie it is.  Then you can really get back at him Jason — you can say stuff like,  “I knew Dave was a closet futurist since no ‘fellow [hyper] preterist’ would admit to the things Dave did.”

Then maybe Dave will be considered a “mole” & be removed from SGP.