Broke-Gap Mountain Part One

Filed Under (dee dee's posts, dispensationalism, theologyweb) by dee dee on 25-02-2010

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As I mentioned before, I am involved in an irenic discussion/debate over at TheologyWeb with a futurist regarding Daniel 9. That discussion can be found here, and the discussion thread can be found here. However, I know that many will not follow the links or some may find it through a search that turns up this blog so I will be reproducing my substantive postings here. You won’t see the context though of my opponent’s points without going to the actual discussion.

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Introducing “Sola5 Radio”

Filed Under (audio) by William Hill on 18-11-2009

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This is a little off topic from the normal musings around here but I wanted to take this chance to push a new venture of Covenant Radio called Sola5 Radio.  This is a LIVE and streaming internet radio station that will offer the best in solid, orthodox and distinctively Reformed material.  More information can be found at the brand new website of Sola5 radio.

To listen live: http://loudcity.com/stations/sola5-radio

The website: http://sola5.wordpress.com

2 Experts Expose the Heretics

Filed Under (Common Hyperpreterist Arguments) by Paul on 16-09-2009

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Tonight, 9/16 At 7:30 PM Eastern Dr. Kenneth Talbot and Dr. Kenneth Gentry will be live on Covenant Radio discussing Hyperpreterism.

Below is the link to the details.
http://blog.covenantradio.com/?p=207


MP3 Audio file:

http://blubrry.com/covenant/485862/95-eschatology-roundtable/


Let’s see how many hyperpreterist sites will post a link to this podcast — after all the hyperpreterists keep clamoring for guys like Dr. Gentry to speak to the issue, and here he is.

An Appeal to Dr. Talbot For Forgiveness

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts) by Roderick_E on 22-07-2009

Dr. Kenneth Talbot of Whitefield Theological Seminary has recently entered the battle against the heresy of hyperpreterism.  As I understand it, he is preparing a major refutation of the heresy.  All of us at PretBlog are eager & pleased to see Dr. Talbot engaging this issue.  We are excited that sometime in September, both Dr. Talbot, Dr. Kenneth Gentry & a third guest will be hosted by Covenant Radio podcast for a “Roundtable Discussion on Hyperpreterism“.

On a personal level, I have had several email & long phone conversations with Dr. Talbot & have appreciated & enjoyed my interactions with him.  He has sent many theological study materials to my home…free of charge to me.

So, during a recent posting upon the subject of epistemology (ref) & a follow up article (ref), Dr. Talbot took issue with my presentations.  My eventual responses to Dr. Talbot were neither honorable nor fair to him. Read the rest of this entry »

Hyperpreterist Don Preston’s Complaint

Filed Under (Reviews (other), Roderick's Posts, bluejays, cults/cultic, ethics, harassment, hyperpreterism, tactics) by Roderick_E on 12-07-2009

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Round-Table

Hyperpreterism’s main focus within Christian circles is their effort to be seen as valid.  Even when I was part of the hyperpreterist movement, I recall the many discussions hyperpreterists would have about the hope that one day, some “big name” would embrace hyperpreterism & then the movement would be launched into the mainstream.  Well, that sentiment is still alive & well in the movement & the latest exampe of it comes from hyperpreterist debate-champion, Don Preston.

Recently, Bill Hill of the podcast program, “Covenant Radio” announced that he plans to do a “round-table discussion” about hyperpreterism (see ref), which would include Dr. Kenneth Gentry & Whitefield Theological Seminary President, Dr. Kenneth Talbot & an unnamed third participant.

The hyperpreterists have long been trying to gain validity by having Don Preston debate Dr. Gentry & now with this round-table they are clamoring for another chance. Read the rest of this entry »

After Show Comments From an Unlikely Source

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, bluejays, cults/cultic, harassment, history, humour, hyperpreterism, podcast, tactics) by Roderick_E on 17-04-2009

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On April 15, 2009 I did a podcast on the Covenant Radio Internet show & expect to receive perhaps a few typical vague references to it from some hyperpreterists but you can imagine my amazement when none other than hyperpreterist Jason Bradfield — the same guy who has been instructing members of his site that it’s best that they not interact with me ANYWHERE & the same guy who has a policy on his site that if anyone even mentions my name in a post, that post will be “deleted with no questions asked” (ref) — that same Jason Bradfield decided to do a 38 point interaction with the podcast.  I just want to say thanks to Jason & to his members I’d ask if they think it is even in the slightest hypocritical of him but oh well, here we go.  I’ll post Jason’s quoted point & then respond after.  On the site where he posted this, he is known as “kingneb”.  The only reason I don’t give the site is because the site is relatively free from hyperpreterist influence & thus it is not suffering much disruption & division so I don’t want to encourage more hyperpreterist to go there.
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Interview on Covenant Radio

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, history, hyperpreterism, multimedia, podcast) by Roderick_E on 16-04-2009

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William Hill, host of the Internet radio show called “Covenant Radio” interviewed me (Roderick Edwards) on the subject of hyperpreterism.  It was an hour & 8 minute show wherein we covered some background history, overarching premises, & typical proof-texts for hyperpreterism along with naming some names of those who promote/teach hyperpreterism.

I think, all in all it was a broad-hitting show that gives the listener a good starting point on understanding why hyperpreterism is destructive to a Christian faith.

You can listen to the audio here: http://www.blubrry.com/player/?e=380525&p=2840

Download the mp3 to your computer or mp3 player (right-click & SAVEAS):

http://covenantradio.hamptonroadsrad…k_Edwards).mp3

Please drop Bill a word of thanks for his brave stand: http://www.covenantradio.com/contact.html

He has been the target of many hyperpreterists who are now upset that he isn’t allowing the show to give any validity to this heresy.

Roderick on Covenant Radio

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, history, hyperpreterism, multimedia, podcast) by Roderick_E on 24-03-2009

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April 15, 2009 7:30 PM EST (4:30 PM PST): Roderick Edwards will be on the program to discuss the eschatological paradigm known as “hyper-preterism”. Mr . Edwards, a former hyper-preterist is well versed in this topic and this will be a good discussion dealing with the in’s and out’s of this system of eschatology.
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Covenant Radio Clarifies It’s Position (AGAIN)

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, harassment, history, hyperpreterism) by Roderick_E on 20-03-2009

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After making a public written statement on it’s position on hyperpreterism & taking some heat about it from hyperpreterists, host of Covenant Radio William Hill has now made an audio statement on this issue.  Listen to the 7 minute clarification where Hill over & over tells the hyperpreterists that what they believe is a heresy, YET whether any individual advocate is going to hell or not is up to God (just as I’ve always said).  I hope now all the hate from hyperpreterists to Hill ends…yeah riiiiiiiight.

LISTEN NOW: Covenant Radio’s Statement on Hyperpreterism (right click & SAVEAS to download to your computer)

Show support to William Hill by visiting CR: covenantradio.com

Email William Hill

Gary DeMar???  How about you?  Isn’t it about time AmericanVision makes a public statement?

The Challenged Challenge: Answering Jason Bradfield

Filed Under (Roderick's Posts, book excerpts, harassment, history, humour, hyperpreterism, podcast, premillennialism) by Roderick_E on 11-03-2009

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The habitual liar & hyperpreterist Jason Bradfield has recently posted a YouTube video to “challenge” William Hill, the host of Covenant Radio (CR) on Hill’s posting of a statement clarifying CR’s position on hyperpreterism.

Now, Jason starts his video by claiming that the former CR host, Jeff McCormack was NOT a hyperpreterist — McCormack was CERTAINLY a hyperpreterist & there is documentation in Jeff’s own words that declare it.  So, Jason starts off either ignorant of the truth OR once again lying.

The statement on CR’s site outlines the 3 main beliefs of hyperpreterism;

1. Jesus came back once & for all in the year AD70
2. The resurrection of the believers happened in the year AD70.
3. The judgment of the wicked & righteous happened in the year AD70.


Yet, Jason skips right over the MEAT of the statement, calling it “vague”.

Jason then goes on to directly insult Hill by saying, “We don’t need you”.  Ok???? So why did you do the video if you think Hill & CR are so insignificant?  Is Hill going around saying how much people “need him”???  Who thinks like this, but an arrogant hyperpreterist who MUST have as their overarching premise that the Church & the world NEEDED THEM to show all of us dummies what the Bible supposedly REALLY says.

Next Jason claims I (without naming my name — since I am a curse word among the “movement”), claims that I “spend most of my life tracking them down & spreading lies & slander & putting them in a bad light”.  Jason, I have & MAINTAIN a full time job & have a family & many, many other interests.  Secondly, Jason please be more specific — what LIES & SLANDER have I spread???  In your very video you either ignorantly tell the viewers that McCormack wasn’t a hyperpreterist, or you LIE to them.  You put yourself in a “bad light”.  You have been caught in so many lies over the years Jason it isn’t funny.

Then Jason tries to take issue with this  portion of the CR statement as if it is a contradiction:

[Hyperpreterism] is NOT a heresy just because we don’t like it, nor is it a heresy because it is “new”, nor is it a heresy because the majority oppose it. Hyperpreterism is a heresy because it is unlike anything ever taught in the history of Christianity…from the very founding to now.

Claiming that the complaint against hyperpreterist is “because its new”.  No, actually forms of hyperpreterism ARE NOT very new — hyperpreterism borrows much from the Gnostics which were around at the very founding of Christianity — however, Gnosticism like hyperpreterism are NOT Christian.

Jason glosses over most of the statement as “ad hom stuff” but the FACT is hyperpreterism MUST have as its overarching premise, the ARROGANT concept that 2000 years of Christianity has either been duped or covering up the supposed “truth” of hyperpreterism.  Yes, I’d call that arrogant.

Continuing to ignore the bulk of the CR statement, Jason glosses over the part about hyperpreterist tactics & instead complains that Christians can appeal to Christian history but hyperpreterists aren’t allowed to — Why aren’t they allowed to?  Because there is NO CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIAN until perhaps Max King that has EVER taught any kind of systematic form of hyperpreterism.  When hyperpreterists appeal to Christian history they cherry pick quotes & ignore that the theologians overall belief was diametrically opposite of how the hyperpreterist tries to depict them from the lifted quotes.

Jason says the “part that irks” him the most about the CR statement is that part that addresses the history of hyperpreterism.  Jason implies that he takes issue with the reference of Max King & hyperpreterism’s “church of Christ” beginnings.  He implies that the only reason the “church of Christ” link is mentioned is “because Mr. Hill’s audience is Reformed & wow we don’t want to associate with these weird ‘church of Christ’ people” — What Jason DOESN’T tell us is that hyperpreterism’s main leaders have & still are men with “church of Christ” backgrounds: Max King, Tim King, Don Preston, William Bell, Terry Hall, Jack Scott, Larry Seigle, Virgil Vaduva, Kurt Simmons, & even Ed Stevens.  Why? What is the connection?  Is it really just a coincidence? (see here)

Finally we get to the REAL reason Jason did this video.  There was a cultic community in upstate NY back in the 1800s called the Oneida Community which practiced & taught a form of hyperpreterism.  Now remember, the CR statement says the modern form of hyperpreterism started in the 1970s.  Well, Jason is upset because he thinks it is unfair to associate the Oneida Community with modern hyperpreterism.  Jason then tries to imply the beliefs of the Oneida Community were in line with modern day so-called “partial preterists” — like R.C. Sproul.  Really???  Sproul advocates anything like the Oneida Community???

Jason then points out that the Oneida Community’s beliefs are “not the view of Max King, Sam Frost, or Don Preston” — who said it was Jason????

Jason, the hint may be in something you said even about yourself — you claimed you are “Calvinistic” but not “historically Reformed”.  I agree.  the Oneida Community was not “historically hyperpreterist”, but it was certainly hyperpreteristic in that like modern hyperpreterism it HAD to advocate that historic Christianity was woefully wrong.

To conclude, Jason “challenges” Hill by offering Hill a $500.00 check to “provide original source material demonstrating that the Oneida Community’s millennial position…timing of the judgment is the same as Max King, Sam Frost, & Don Preston” — Jason???  WHO SAYS IT WAS????  I think you & your family would be better served that you keep your money to provide for them…especially since your “challenge” is based on something no one even claimed.  And to claim you “can’t think of another way to get” Hill’s attention than your offering him money is very insulting as if he is all about monetary gain.  Is this a projection of your own mentality Jason???

Lastly, Jason finishes up his presentation with one more lie — claiming that he brought up to me the Oneida issue on a Christian forum called CARM & that I “backed out of the conversion”.  Jason, are you failing to tell everyone you kept getting banned by the moderators on CARM because you couldn’t speak without insult?  I didn’t “back out”, but rather told you as I am now, you are setting up a false premise — no one has claimed the Oneida Community advocated the exact same things as you modern hyperpreterists.

You complete your insult to Hill by claiming he has only posted the CR statement so that he can get certain guests on his show.  CR had all sorts of guests on the show with or without the statement.  CR even had people on the show while one of its co-hosts was a full blown hyperpreterist. Jason, just because you may not have principles doesn’t mean others don’t & that they will do things based on principle no matter whether it makes you happy or not.

Actually, I think it is CR & Hill that “don’t need you” Jason.  They certainly don’t need to hear all of the lies & false premises you packed into to this video.  I wonder if any of your hyperpreterist buddies will take you to task?

Covenant Radio: covenantradio.com

Jason’s video: youtube.com/watch?v=vBiFgHJfauo

Keith Mathison’s statement on Oneida Community:

preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/2004_mathison_noyes.html