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A poster I do not know who goes by the handle of “slippery” made the following comment in a thread on a heretical preterist site where I was dubbed “Dee Dee the Heinous” regarding my phone call with Gary DeMar:

I find in no way that Dee Dee Warren was heinous. She made a point, and Gary Demar could have answered it quickly, he chickened out hiding behind the smoke screen, as to “what the topic is”, even though there are many times where a topic on a radio show gets diverted to other relevant aspects before getting back on course.

Even though Dee Dee the Heinous has such a fantasy-genre swords and dragons cool kind of ring to it, the above poster is absolutely correct. And not only do radio shows get off track, it was Samuel Frost who took the conversation in that direction contrary to the already stated desires of the host. Gary did not tell Samuel he would not answer because it was off-topic, he answered Samuel’s question, made a controversial statement, and then refused to define or defend it when I inquired. If Gary did not wish to discuss the issue, that should have been true for Samuel as well as myself; furthermore, Gary went on for a good deal of the rest of the show going way off-topic (meaning subjects other than Matthew 24), so that hound don’t hunt.

Now to conclude the topic of what Gary did or did not answer - the hyperpreterists were later claiming that he dodged on the issue of Daniel 12, when I had the contrary opinion, I thought Gary answered well. Notice, however, that this is a question that Gary answered AFTER my call, and wow, look at that, it wasn’t about Matthew 24 (it seems that it was only my question that was off-topic). However, I am glad he did answer that one and answered it well.

The fact is that there is a certain faction of hyperpreterists that like automatons just have to say something bad because someone opposes them doctrinally. I don’t have that mentality. I spoke favourably here of a person named Parker, he does not do so of me. I don’t care. Parker was still right when he was right, and boy was he right. I speak favourably of David Green, a hyperpreterist, as well as Todd Dennis and a few others.

The type of behaviour where an opponent must be criticized at all costs is characteristic of a cult-like mentality. Let me give a prime example:

While I was on the phone with Gary I figured that silly heckling would be going on, and I didn’t wish to be distracted, so I lowered my laptop screen. And by the time I got back to the text, certain comments were moved up beyond the viewable screen. Most of it was juvenile belly-bopping and burping, but here is one comment that shows the depravity to which some in this faction will dive:

brad_religion: dee dee is a rude whore

This person is not some infrequent stranger to the Paltalk hyperpreterist scene, he is one of the main players. What I been saying for years is proven true each day: everyone who strongly condemns this doctrine is attacked visciously. And now we see that misogyny is not out of bounds (since said person apparently also supports a site in which I am also called a b*tch and a frequent reference to bust size is made).

The fact is that there are somefactions in the hyperpreterist camp that will apparently stoop to any depth - this has been proven many times over. I am curious if Gary DeMar will still post at a site that promotes a harassment site giving out personal details and threatening to do more such as post home addresses and phone numbers, once already posting my work address, phone number, and boss - especially in light of the not-so-distant Paltalk murders, and even this same night Matt Slick saying he gets death threats, and you can’t be too careful. Oh and not to mention mocking people who are upfront about their own weaknesses for the purpose of ministering to others about psychological diseases that one has (and so ignorantly stating that OCD is a dissociative disorder - clue: it isn’t please get an education - the correct order of communication is to think before speaking otherwise your voice will be garbled by a foot-shaped obstacle that just happens to be in your mouth. Here is a good page for getting some understanding and to stop spreading ignorant bigotry about a significant portion (2-3% of the population) of persons who have certain disorders. I also have a slight lisp - maybe some of this faction can get some yucks out of that too. Too bad I’m not morbidly obese or have a club foot - that would be sheer hilarity. Thankfully my OCD is relatively mild these days once I became educated about the disorder. Depression is another matter, which comes and goes with varying levels of severity. The last severe episode was over five years ago, and I credit a miraculous recovery (within three months) to God (and yep that means that the “potent antidepressant” I mentioned (referring to FIVE years ago for a period of three months) that I am supposedly under the influence of now and that being bad, bad, bad was over more than five years ago - folks come on, at least learn to READ). I have since learned in doing research that it wasn’t particularly potent as anti-depressants go, I am just unusually sensitive to many medicines.

If any of you reading have any type of psychological disorder or think you may have - TALK to your doctor. Don’t be ashamed or kowed by opportunistic predators such as those who have targeted my transparency. I am open about my struggles because it has helped so many people who thought they were alone, or thought maybe they weren’t really Christian because Christians should never be depressed or have other disorders. Been there done that, ” If only you had enough faith…..” bunk. Sometimes God gives us faith through our afflictions.

Despite our very aggressive stand in opposition to the views of one another, a hyperpreterist site owner (the one whom I had always considered head and shoulders above the others I knew - which I have learned is the general consensus of this person from supporters and opponents alike) has removed from his site personal information about me that had been obtained by another through means that most people would consider borderline if not actual cyberstalking (despite whether or not it was “legal” - so is abortion) and would go absolutely bonkers if such was done to their daughter or wife. The name is not mentioned because I agreed with this person that I likely would mention rarely any hyperpreterist site or person by name (and removed one mention of this person’s particular site when requested) especially not in my blog where it is not necessary. I have no problem with giving them the credit due, so if an email is sent my way I will do so. I think most of you can guess by my description the person that I am extending a genuine and heartfelt thanks to.

Now in stark contrast another hyperpreterist site owner, despite given me written assurances that he would never allow such things on his forum and expressed general distaste for people hunting down the private information of another and posting it because of a theologically disagreement, has shown that his yes does not mean yes, and his word is worthless. No matter what I think of anyone’s doctrine or lack thereof - if I give my word, you can take it to the bank. I doubt any of you would guess who this is as the site is not one of the prominent ones.

As many know, there have been certain people who have decided it is their business to publish my private information against my family’s, and my wishes on the Internet - at one point going to the point of posting my boss’ name (which takes some guts considering he is an excellent lawyer), my work address, my work phone number, and still have a threat posted on the site - yet some of the hyperpreterist crowd still think it is just peachy (perhaps a side effect of a good ox-goring). As I have said to quite a few, though this situation has caused great trauma to several people, and affected home and work, perhaps it is all worth it as it gives justification to what I have been saying for years. There is an obsessed fringe of this movement that has a reputation of repeatedly harassing their critics, sometimes in creepy or disturbing ways. No more proof is needed.

Anyhows, most of the stuff was just downright retarded (sheesh, at least be funny - there is nothing worse than a rotten roast), but one thing that was a blatant bold-faced lie is the allegation that I condemn anyone who does not hold to my exact view is a heretic, including futurists. As proof a “futurist challenge” I had posted was mentioned. I had one futurist take me up on that challenge, and I asked him to give his take on the situation as I vehemently deny condemning futurism as heresy. As I said before, let the whole world be futurist rather than one soul embrace hyperpreterism.

The rest is from my good futurist friend Bill:

To all who need to read this (and you know who you are),

My name is Bill. I am a Dispensational Futurist (although not of the Lahaye and Hagee “Left Behind” camp) and have been my whole Christian life. I have known Dee Dee Warren for a few years now and I wish to address those who think she is anything but a great defender of the faith. It has recently come to my attention that there has been a ridiculously childish parody of Dee Dee published by a conveniently unnamed person.

As I read the “parody��?, which was mostly nothing more than a rant about Dee Dee Warren being a pseudonym, I couldn’t help but sense the irony. Where is the cowardly author’s real name and personal information? William Shakespeare said: “Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once.��? Hypocrisy must not bother them too much…

I’d like to say that their interpretation of her and her character are way off base. The irrational need to “expose��? who Dee Dee really is shows that the person/people who own [editorial note: I removed the link Bill mentioned as the last thing I will do is give that link an ounce of server space] have no real answers for her and other Orthodox Preterists’ charges of heresy and neo-hymenaenism. You know how the old saying goes… if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Pseudonyms are not always for hiding who you are. Dean Koontz has written under a dozen, Harlan Ellison under twenty-six, Steven King under two, and the list goes on. Yet, I see no glaring expose on [stalkeresque site link removed] telling who, for instance, the actor who goes by Gene Wilder is and where he really lives. Perhaps it isn’t the pseudonym that bothers them?

The (and I shudder to call him/her this) author makes a big deal out of the fact that the information was obtained legally. Big woop! Abortion is legal too, but is it right? What motivates someone to give out a person’s personal information without consent? The author is no better than the squatting paparazzi who hound celebrities for a “legal��? but exposing picture. And they have the nerve to question Dee Dee’s actions as unchristian? Oh please, spare us the sanctimony. Dee Dee’s debate style can, at times, be a bit harsh, to be sure, but so have mine and most others who feel strongly about a subject. But the difference is that never has Dee Dee provided publicly anyone’s personal information, birth date, etc. without their consent. Heck, I think you are both dead wrong, but you don’t see me spending my valuable resources procuring documents from state registrars and satellite photos of your neighborhood. I guess childishness really DOES know no bounds…

I find it sad and a bit childish that someone spent money to obtain a domain name specifically for harassing Dee Dee. And not only registering it, but under a private registration name! I also found the “20,000 posts on TWeb��? comment amusing, seeing as how Dee Dee is a site owner, and there are some members with well over 100,000 posts [DDW comments - and they missed a prime opportunity to say I had OPD - obsessive posting disorder - it is really pathetic that I can make a better jab at me). Also, Dee Dee posts in a variety of areas, including the leadership forums, which count toward post count totals. Lack of education and an appeal for shock value shows just how desperate this person really is and how little ground they have to stand on.

The page that listed some quotes from Dee Dee is another example of the desperation level this person is at. Not since a few Mormon apologists ran off from TWeb have I seen such a strong persecution complex. Calling a spade a spade is neither wrong, nor obsessive, and Dee Dee has properly labeled those who deny the future bodily resurrection as heretics. My advice to the author is, instead of insults, try to prove you are not a heretic instead of fixating on Dee Dee. Who she is and how she debates should not be what the author of that rant is concerned with. Provide a proper rebuttal and leave the personal information personal.

As far as the futurist challenge that Dee Dee had on her web site, I responded to it a few months back. I was not insulted by it, nor did I get the impression that she considered my views outside the pale of Orthodoxy. As a matter of fact, she and other Orthodox Preterists on TWeb have repeatedly engaged me in discussions on subjects where we differ and have been quite amicable about it. None of them consider me a heretic either. The comment made by the author that Dee Dee considers Dispensational Futurism a heresy is a blatant lie. Dee Dee aptly states that here: http://www.preteristsite.com/faq.html#fut

So, in summing things up, the author of that site 1) hypocritically whines that Dee Dee is a pseudonym, while hiding behind an anonymous registration service, 2) is angry that Dee Dee rightly considers full preterism a heresy, denying the future resurrection, and 3) thinks that they are justified in behaving like a vengeful child. Is not vengence the Lord’s? Case closed.

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Thank you Bill. I am blessed to have such friends. I do want to make it clear that this type of behaviour is primarily being encouraged by one heretical site in particular, though the owner of the second major site (which I generally held in much higher regard) has still refused to remove personal information about me, and a hyperpreterist forum owner did a volte face on a promise that such would not be allowed on his site. There have been several notable hyperpreterists who have told me personally that they find actions revolting.

Just like identity theft which was brushed aside for so long (I was the victim of identity theft back around 1990 or so and could not get any law enforcement to take it seriously) cyber-stalking and harassment is a growing problem. Educate yourself - many web hosting companies have posted “Terms of Service” that are empty as they refuse to enforce them or acknowledge that there is a clear violation. For example on TOS said: including, but not limited to, (a) refusal or failure to pay for Service or (b) by sole judgment of [name omitted] that Customer may be performing activities harmful to [name omitted] or its other Customers, employees, vendors, business relationships or other users of the Internet, including but not limited to, spamming; harassment; falsifying information; defamation; violating a third party’s privacy;

On a hosted site with such “terms of service” I was threatened with further harassment, private personal information about myself and other associated with me were revealed, where I live, who I bought my house from, and at one point a taunt that a picture will be obtained and the listing of the address, phone number and name of where I work. Disgusting and defamatory quotes are listed as being direct quotes from me (a disclaimer is posted on an entirely different page and I have had inquiries asking me why I said such things) and I am accused of copyright infringement. So pray tell, how is that not harassment, defamation, and violating my privacy? Does that TOS only appear to be in English (and this is despite the public admission of the host company that the site in question did violate their TOS but the owner of said site was a good customer). Kudoes to America Online for dealing appropriately with the issue, though persistence is absolutely key. Educate yourself on the topic, most especially if you are female: