Another bold and admirable “admission” from David Green

Filed Under (Uncategorized) by dee dee on 23-04-2006

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When I use the word “admission” I do not use to mean that the person doing the “admitting” has given up the ghost. I do use it to mean that something is candidly admitted, which others in a group deny or obscure, that may not be entirely flattering to the group but is honest. David has done this before for which I have commended him. He has done it again on his Yahoo mailing list.

In the olden days (1800’s), a “preterist” was a person who saw the book of Revelation (and maybe some other passages and prophetic books) as mostly or wholly fulfilled. I think that we “heretical preterists” have been doing a fine job of changing the usage of the word. I know it irks the old-school “preterists” today (Gentry, Mathison, et al) that they’re increasingly being perceived as merely an inconsistent version of us.

I don’t concede his statement on such a thing being relegated to the 1800s, but that is not the point I am fixating on, it is David’s admission that hyperpreterists have changed the usage of the word. IOW, they have hijacked a word that meant something else. That has been my whole point. I refuse that hijacking, and so should you.

As far as being irked, semantical hijacking is irksome, agreed. At least David is upfront that such is exactly what has been going on. Something I have been saying for a few years now.

Semi-Preterism

Filed Under (hyperpreterism, preterism) by dee dee on 28-12-2005

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I had an interesting message from a friend who is of the futurist camp coming to an understanding of the importance of the AD70 event, and while still embracing primarily a futuristic view point also holds a semi-preteristic view. I am finding that the old vanguard of futurism typified by LaHaye and McArthur is falling and falling past, and new nuances will arise. I find this tremendously encouraging and exciting.

However, it also brings somewhat niave (in that their exposure) has been limited potential victims to the perversity that is hyperpreterism which is only being opposed in dribs and drabs with this site being the only site singularly dedicated to its exposure and dozens of heretical sites. To me this is easily explained by the nature of the heresy which makes its adherents pathologically single-minded in their promotion. It is THE issue. Most opponents of hyperpreterism have thriving ministries in other areas and have limited time to dedicate to this small and obsessive group. However, I think this is a huge mistake. My heart echoes the sentiments of sister Sharon Beverly:

“How many shipwrecks does it take to get the full attention of the collective body?”

How many indeed. The time is critical friends. Sites such as this and many others are in sore need, and I will be devoting as much time as I can to this project.

I quote sister Sharon once again from here:

Saturday morning, May 14, 2005

I think alot of folks running around out there who have been deeply wounded by Pantelism, or who are seriously struggling with it, are afraid to speak out against it, which is quite understandable. Whether you’re a learned, intellectual Theologian, or the common fisherman who loves the Lord, all saints who have stood up to this poison have experienced the dogmatic, arrogant, and rabid fervor that drives it at the highest echelons. It can appear outwardly intimidating, but please, do not let this keep you from speaking out. Whether we stand or fall, we stand or fall to Him, and no one else.

You can expect to be slandered. [Editorial note by DDW: you may even expect to be the subject of behaviour that many people would consider seriously threatening harassment and borderline cyberstalking by a certain contingent that have their base of support in one particular hyperpreterist site]You can expect to have a slew of fancy-shmancy terminology thrown at you, along with the charge that because you don’t write or speak according to their intellectual standards, you are a sub-standard idiot not worthy of any credibility. Do not worry. The Lord is simple, and a Man of few words. In the midst of His enemies, He often never spoke at all, even when falsely accused.

The fool is known by his many words, and condemneth his own self with his constantly wagging tongue. Do not contend with the fool. Speak the truth with an honest heart, and leave the results in His hands. Spiritual quickening is the Lord’s work-not ours. Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, will hear and see. Those who do not-will not-and no amount of intellectual arguing will change this. The wise man who allows himself to be drawn back into the fool’s ring again and again, is engaging his own pride.

Pr 29:9 ¶ If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest. .

Do not allow him to intimidate you, dear one in Christ. If your heart is pricked with compassion for those who are falling into this pit-do not hold your peace. If your heart burns with the Lord’s wise counsel-proclaim it loud and clear. Be encouraged, and be of good cheer, for He has overcome the world.

Jesus made himself of no reputation. Can we do anything less? Our reputation died with Him when we were born-again with Him. Is it easy to bite your tongue when you know you’re being falsely accused and misrepresented? No, it’s not, but the more we do bite our tongues, and leave it in His hands, the easier it becomes, and the more peace settles into our hearts. He is, afterall, our one, true Advocate. I pray we can leave it there in His capable hands.

The Lord is faithful to them that trust Him, and today He has spoken two things to me. The first word is to revisit Ecclesiastes. All that we need to understand all poisonous doctrines and stand against them can be found in that book.

The second word is the memory of my past encounter with two very young (18-21 years old I would guess) Mormon “Elders” who came to my front door last year. These two young men were handsome, smartly dressed, articulate, kind, and by all accounts, outwardly righteous. Our exchange ended with me telling them that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and that they needed to repent and believe the gospel. I said good day, and I closed the door, while these previously polite and outwardly friendly young men ranted and raved at me through my closed door. Pride is the greatest deceiver of mankind, and our worst enemy. May the Lord clothe those who love Him in His own cloak of humility.